Last week, Al Gore appeared on CNN’s Larry King Live and offered a stinging critique of the media’s obsession with “trivialities” rather than important issues that affect our collective future:
GORE: In a lot of the news media, the line between entertainment and news is now very blurred, and a lot of news organizations feel the need to run polls and conduct focus groups the same as politicians now. And so we get a lot more of Anna Nicole Smith’s funeral arrangements and Paris Hilton’s legal battles on her jail term than we get about how we can solve the climate crisis and how we can get our troops out of this civil war they are trapped in, in Iraq.
Confirming the central thesis of Al Gore’s criticism of the media, this morning CNN announced the hire of a new reporter who will “be covering things like Britney, as well as the Michael Jackson memorabilia”:
KIRAN CHETRY: Britney Spears, she’s blogging — that’s what they do these days, the celebrities — about her trip to rehab, about hitting rock bottom, and about what she really thinks her troubles are. … And joining us to talk more about that this morning is Lola Ogunnaike. … You’re going to be covering things like Britney, as well as the Michael Jackson memorabilia.
OGUNNAIKE: Yes, I’ve got the Britney, Lindsay, Michael Jackson memorabilia beat.
Watch it:
Full transcript:
GORE: In a lot of the news media, the line between entertainment and news is now very blurred, and a lot of news organizations feel the need to run polls and conduct focus groups the same as politicians now. And so we get a lot more of Anna Nicole Smith’s funeral arrangements and Paris Hilton’s legal battles on her jail term than we get about how we can solve the climate crisis and how we can get our troops out of this civil war they are trapped in, in Iraq.
And we have this huge onslaught of trivialities and four-and-a- half hours a day is the average amount of time Americans watch television. And so much of it is just sort of mind-deadening. And you know what I’m talking about. And that line between entertainment and news is really gone now in many cases.
* * *CHETRY: Also, Britney Spears, she’s blogging — that’s what they do these days, the celebrities — about her trip to rehab, about hitting rock bottom, and about what she really thinks her troubles are. It’s certainly not alcohol and depression, she says. And joining us to talk more about that this morning is Lola Ogunnaike. Welcome, by the way, to the team.
LOLA OGUNNAIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Thank you so much. I’m happy to be here.
CHETRY: You’re going to be covering things like Britney, as well as the Michael Jackson memorabilia.
OGUNNAIKE: Yes, I’ve got the Britney, Lindsay, Michael Jackson memorabilia beat.
CHETRY: Do you get to cover any normal people?
OGUNNAIKE: Yes, actually. But just not this week.
CHETRY: Well, we are so thrilled that you’re with us.

Algore harps on the cult of global warming and then accuses others of assaulting reason..what an idiot.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:27 amCNN has decided to go down the rat hole like FOX news > very sad.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:27 amAs long as the networks expect reporting the news to make money, then it will always pander to the (perceived) lowest common denominator. So rather than actually supporting investigative journalism, today’s media conglomerates focus on what will win the ratings war.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amWhere’s the troll spray?
May 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amI’m not sure what the moonbats and their prophet of doom Gore expect. Do you really believe that people want to watch 24/7 of we are all going to die and America sucks?
May 30th, 2007 at 11:31 amCNN . . . Fox . . . the networks in general . . . same thing.
Continuous propeganda and lies supporting what their handlers choose.
They’re most of the reason Junior even has supposed 28 percent approval.
For some reason, there are people that still believe what their television tells them.
‘Now-ya-do-what-they-told-ja . . . Now-yer-under-control . . . Now-ya-do-what-they-told-ja . . . Now-yer-under-control . . . Now-ya-do-what-they-told-ja . . . Now-yer-under-control . .’
May 30th, 2007 at 11:31 amOh, sweet Jesus. Now another reason to hate CNN.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:31 amNOTE to AL: You can’t “solve” the Global warming “crisis”….. it’s a CYCLE.
To solve the CRISIS, you would need to promote nuclear power (like the French!), and attention-seeking celebs could STOP buying carbon offsets and live as austerly as they think the rest of us should. We would also need to eliminate 2/3 the world population, and kill all cattle, sheep, etc.
(Listening to Al, it was hard to believe he is one of the smartest men on the planet - he mangled the language almost as badly as dyslexic President Bush….)
May 30th, 2007 at 11:31 amWhat Al Gore says and writes won’t change anything. He’s not the first to say these things.
I’m with Sheehan: all is lost. It’s time to bail.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:32 amThe 28% LOVE this stuff. For them any news at all which doesn’t beat up on ‘dear leader’ is welcome. So we have soldiers dying everyday - in an illegal war - and what is important to CNN? Brittany and Michael, thats what. It’s no wonder this poor country has taken such a beating lately. Some of us need to get our heads out the ground and look at what is really happening around us - in person, not on TV.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amThese guys are just giving the idiot Republican viewers what they want: fluff and TnA.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amWell, thank God that CNN isn’t going to be ignoring Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan. Poor girls just don’t get enough press coverage the way things are.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:33 ami saw that this morning… and immediately changed the channel. As if that Kiran ditz wasnt worthless enough.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:34 amIt would be nice if they saw Britney et al. as the sugar that helps the real news medicine go down…. and they realized that they’re in the news medicine business.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amI always wonder what news needs to be buried when I see things like this. Yesterday, the mother who hung herself and four children knocked everything else off the air. Sad story, but it doesn’t warrant wall-to-wall coverage.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amCNN - Celebrity Nuze Nitwork.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amNOTE to AL: You can’t “solve†the Global warming “crisisâ€â€¦.. it’s a CYCLE.
Comment by valiant venus
Wow. You’re not only a “lawyer”, you’re a “climatologist”?
May 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amNOTE to AL: You can’t “solve†the Global warming “crisisâ€â€¦.. it’s a CYCLE.
Comment by valiant venus
Wow. You’re not only a “lawyerâ€, you’re a “climatologistâ€?
Comment by gummitch
She is all things to all people — a regular Earth Mother, if you will.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:46 amJust one more reason CNN, like CNN Headline News before it, is now dead to me. A more pathetic excuse for journalism I cannot imagine. Listening to Wolfie smarm and pout while whirling around and looking at his big screens makes me want to puke. He is so stupid he cannot even recognize when Cafferty basically calls him a fool to his face occassionally.
Meanwhile, our soldiers are dying in a civil war that will not go away, millions of Iraqis have fled the country, destabilizing the region, but the really important stuff, like finishing the BIGGEST AMERICAN EMBASSY IN THE WORLD, a fortress with 1,000 employees (and about 6 translators who can speak Arabic) continues apace, COMPLETELY IGNORED BY CNN and the rest of the failed, miserable hollow shells of the mainstream media.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:46 amAlthough to be fair, these celebrities have more gravitas than our Preznit, or for that matter, any major Republican.
“I don’t believe in evolution, and clearly homosexuality is the biggest issue facing this country.”
May 30th, 2007 at 11:47 amWhile Rome burns and Chimpy plays the fiddle, the masses are soothed by Bread and Circus.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:48 amThis is a big mistake because Britney and Michael are so over ;-)
May 30th, 2007 at 11:49 amPatrick1,
don’t you have more important things to be doing with your time? Like ripping the Preznit a new arsehole for selling you down the river re immigration?
Oh yes, you’re a flaming hypocrite, I forgot. In the event you want even a tiny shred of intellectual (and I use that term very loosely) honesty (again, but even more loosely), you may want to wander over to townhall or freerepublic and start ripping on Bush and his corporate masters for their new immigration scheme. Or, as mentioned yesterday, for opening up negotiations with Iran and North Korea and Syria.
But I’m sure I’ll see you posting about trivial (by Republican standards) stuff here instead.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:49 amThe Assault on Reason was a full frontal one, with Patrick1, Jake/MAF54, m666, and the Venuswhatevers being on the front line.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:01 pmAlgore harps on the cult of global warming and then accuses others of assaulting reason..what an idiot.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 30, 2007 @ 11:27 am
This coimment, like so many others written by Patrick, shows an appalling lack of self-awareness (for those who don’t understand the proper use of this term, it refers to people who are unable to perceive how others view their behavior, e.g. Paul Wolfowitz, or various spoiled athletes).
So let me spell it out for you, Patrick: you are the idiot. Everyone here views you as an idiot. I suspect that most people that you personally know think that you are idiot. So you don’t need to come here everyday to prove it again.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pmPlease don’t feed the trolls.
They’re inbred ignorant redneck Repukes.
Karla Rove pays them minimum wage to come in here to lie, spin and smear.
Try to ignore them.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:05 pmBack to the topic…
The mainstream media no longer have journalistic news. This is just further proof.
Corporate media are fluff and propaganda…a vast wasteland.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pmLet’s face it… Real “news” doesn’t sell as well as tabloid. That’s just a fact. It’s not that real news can’t make money, just not necessarily as much money. And remember when you have giant corporations, making money isn’t the goal, growing is the goal. So they all end up fighting over all the known profitable markets, instead of trying to create new ones.
The interesting thing is how the trolls are basically telling us there isn’t anything else to report on… That the sort of news Al Gore wants to see is just video loops of anti-America protests. I find it hillarious that the trolls essentially are admitting how little they understand and care about what is happening in the world. There are millions of untold stories and investigative reports awaiting discovery. A 30-60 minute news program can’t find something other than celebrities to talk about in a world of 6 BILLION people? Please. This isn’t a partisan issue, no matter how much you dislike Gore personally.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pmthe problem is celebrity gossip sells. Olbermann in my opinion, who I generally like, spends some of his time on Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, etc. This type of thing sells, and brings in ratings. The news long ago stopped just reporting the facts, and now attempts to make, or spin the facts. It is a troubling piece of our society.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pm#17 - No, Gummy - I am not a “climatologist” - - But I can read. It might surprise you to know the most interesting places archaelogists have found marine fossils….
**Remember** - The Global Warming “debate” by progs is a global POWER PLAY - nothing more, nothing less. Nothing your “kindly” hearts do can freeze back glaciers or prevent hail in Denver during late May. **sniff**
May 30th, 2007 at 12:16 pmNOTE to AL: You can’t “solve†the Global warming “crisisâ€â€¦.. it’s a CYCLE.
Comment by Valiant Venus
I love when ignorant religious freaks try to engage science.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pmWho cares?
We have the internet now. Let them spew crap all over the airways. I can surf where I want to surf, and read what I want to read.
Internet > TV
~Sean
May 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pmSuperEdo sez:
Bail where?
May 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pmThe Global Warming “debate†by progs is a global POWER PLAY
Comment by valiant venus
Yes. The world revolves around Progs and Cons. Dems and Reps. US-centrism makes people think all wars made by the US were provoked by others.
3000 scientists might be thinking about Al Gore when they do their research. Yep.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pmExactly. This is why it is not a partisan issue, no matter what the trolls say. Olbermann and O’Reilly both spend similar amounts of time on the same tabloid junk that your 6pm nightly news does. It’s pathetic. And I say this as an Olbermann fan (minus the gossip junk) as well.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pmFidel Castro is blogging too. But I doubt CNN will cover that. I’ve always liked Fidel. He’s speeches can go on and on, but, if you’ve ever read one, they actually are pretty good and of university lecture quality. Bush can’t get two sentences out of his mouth without mangling the English language. And I bet any SotU address by him could be used to teach examples of logical fallacies.
I long for the days when CNN actually ran press conferences live and covered the people whom the MSM ignored. Ted Turner should never have retired.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pmJuanSi - Surprise! Surprise!! No matter what YOU and your fellow Progs do, you CANNOT stop or change climate CYCLES. Religion has nothing to do with the argument - it’s called facing facts.
Tooodles…..
May 30th, 2007 at 12:34 pm#17 - No, Gummy - I am not a “climatologist†- - But I can read. It might surprise you to know the most interesting places archaelogists have found marine fossils….
**Remember** - The Global Warming “debate†by progs is a global POWER PLAY - nothing more, nothing less. Nothing your “kindly†hearts do can freeze back glaciers or prevent hail in Denver during late May. **sniff**
Comment by valiant venus
I’m sure you can read, although it’s also clear you’re highly selective about which reading it is. Perhaps you could bring your debating skills to realclimate.org and explain to actual climatologists why their arguments are purely political and have no basis in fact — since you’re a big reader and clearly know more about it than they do.
By the way, big reader, “archeologists” study past human life.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pmP.S. Juan, put down the peyote - - - The Greeens got started in Germany and global eco-wacks were worrying about global Freeze….
May 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pmDavid - Fidel would appreciate your sycophantic outlook. Of course, he despises opposition, but that shouldn’t be a problem for YOU…..
May 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pmThanks, Gummy, for the tip. Those same climatologists are great for an intense hand-wringing session BUT offer NO tips to restoring glaciers, etc.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHmmm…..
The trolls are going to slam you hard for praising anything about Fidel Castro. lol. Brutal dictator that he is, he can speak well. It’s too bad he never realized how much he has hurt his country (or maybe he has and just doesn’t care). If he would have stepped down (and allowed a democratic government to form) at the same time the Soviet Union fell, we’d all be taking vacations in Havana right now.
I saw him on C-Span once late late at night and he was going on about how crazy Bush is and how his alcoholism and relgious fanatacism were dangerous. My thought at the time was damn, look at the pot calling the kettle here! But then I realized that it’s just too bad he was the one to say it there and not, say, Prime Minister Tony Blair, or another world leader that might actually be paid attention to.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#5 Comment by Patrick1 — May 30, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Do you really believe that people want to watch 24/7 of we are all going to die and America sucks?
Do you really believe that people want to see your inane comments here on TP, sweet little trollie? Oh, thats right, you aren’t here to contribute anything worthwhile. You are just here to irritate people and disrupt the thread. Sigh… There has to be some shit in everyone’s life and I guess you are ours.
The ToonGuy is right on when he says “Where’s the troll spray?”
May 30th, 2007 at 12:47 pmIt’s not as if I can’t read the cover of the National Enquirer about these attention addicts in the supermarket checkout line.
This is gossip, not news. It’s something Druge would wallow in and oink about,
May 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pmWe are all going to die and America sucks.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmThe Greeens got started in Germany and global eco-wacks were worrying about global Freeze….Comment by valiant venus
Germany had little or no oil V V. They had to be green.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pm#24 Comment by Namtillaku — May 30, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
The Assault on Reason was a full frontal one, with Patrick1, Jake/MAF54, m666, and the Venuswhatevers being on the front line.
And they work hard at it (don’t you trollies?) Can’t you just picture them at their morning get together in the troll locker room at the “West Hollywood Gym for Men” squawking at eachother in excited tones about the exciting upcoming day on the blogs. Trading their stories of mutual fantasy about how they single handedly are destroying the rising left. Ah, the glory, they all agree… “Citations and medals all around,” one squawks. “Hear, hear,” they all answer in unison…
May 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmBrutal dictator that he is, he can speak well. It’s too bad he never realized how much he has hurt his country (or maybe he has and just doesn’t care). If he would have stepped down (and allowed a democratic government to form) at the same time the Soviet Union fell, we’d all be taking vacations in Havana right now.
Comment by Parrotlover77
Brutal dictator??? He is wrong in a lot of issues, no doubt, but brutal dictator? I guess you are doing real brutal dictators a favor. Cuba has executed no more people than Texas.
Valiant, I know you like to write senseless dribble so you seem cool, but in Argentina peyote doesnt grow. Stop supporting pedophiles priests and read all IPCC reports. YOu will learn something.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pmThanks, Gummy, for the tip. Those same climatologists are great for an intense hand-wringing session BUT offer NO tips to restoring glaciers, etc.
Hmmm…..
Comment by valiant venus
Ah, you forget. You were going to explain to the climatologists that they were wrong about human contribution to global climate change and that their recommendations on slowing or halting that contribution were politically-driven and not fact-based.
Now you’re apparently admitting that such change is occurring but that anyone who can’t restore glaciers has nothing to contribute.
Do you even stop to think at all before you post this kind of screed? Even from a neocon troll, this is pretty silly.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pmThose same climatologists are great for an intense hand-wringing session BUT offer NO tips to restoring glaciers, etc.
Hmmm…..
Comment by valiant venus
I guess there is light…but nobody is at home.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmAl gore wishes he was as smart and well liked as Al Gore!
May 30th, 2007 at 1:35 pmGummy - go back an S-L-O-W-L-Y read again. Nowhere do I claim that humans have not contributed to global warming.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWhich are you? A consumate LIAR?..Or a very poor reader? You’re not worth much more of my time either way….
valiant, like I asked patrick1, don’t you have more important things to worry about than Al Gore or global warming?
Your president, he of the 28% approval rating, just gave blanket amnesty to all the illegals. He’s negotiating with Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Non-military spending has gone way up under his administration. Oh yes, and he doesn’t belong, and hasn’t belonged to any church, despite claiming to be Christian (the only time he ever seems to go is when he needs a photo op, needs to give a speech, or it’s Easter). Shouldn’t you be railing on him?
Maybe you people need to take things more seriously in this country.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:11 pmGummy - go back an S-L-O-W-L-Y read again. Nowhere do I claim that humans have not contributed to global warming.
Which are you? A consumate LIAR?..Or a very poor reader? You’re not worth much more of my time either way….
Comment by valiant venus
NOTE to AL: You can’t “solve†the Global warming “crisisâ€â€¦.. it’s a CYCLE.
So which is it?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:11 pmEvidently, we’re supposed to believe Valiant Venus about this global warming thing because of all the credibility she’s built up over time here. She’s been spot on with regard to all the issues. Iraq invasion-great idea! Valerie Plame - just a desk jocky! Libby - innocent! Attorney firings — nothing to see here folks, move along.
Yep, Valiant Venus has built up a very interesting batting average on the issues and this is why we must pay attention to her opinions.
On a serious note, I suggest that people take another look at the great 1974 film “Network.” Howard Beale was way ahead of his time.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:11 pmGummy - If you had a counter-point, you might be interesting….such is not the case. Your ignorant assertion was incorrect and you are incapable of correcting yourself - - oh well….not surprising….
May 30th, 2007 at 2:16 pmAl gore wishes he was as smart and well liked as Al Gore!
Comment by Patrick1
Patrick1 wishes he was as well liked as socketpuppet1, sockpuppet2, sockpuppet3, sockpuppet5 and sockpuppet6.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:27 pm[…] offer NO tips to restoring glaciers, etc.
-vv
conservation, alternatives, for starters, the most obvious…
deny deny deny…
and for what purpose? … makes no sense to me…
May 30th, 2007 at 2:28 pm.
From the article:
Last week, Al Gore appeared on CNN’s Larry King Live and offered a stinging critique of the media’s obsession with “trivialities†rather than important issues that affect our collective future
Once again Al Gore is saying in public on national TV what most of us only gripe about in private. And, as usual, to derision and disapproval. As he was forthright about the Iraq invasion before it became “Bush’s War” so he speaks out again about the the degredation of the mass media. And does so on that sad excuse for the fourth estate.
Al Gore was vocal, and out in front of the convential wisdom regarding the Iraq invasion, that became “Bush’s War,” later.
There are many folks that want Gore to enter the race for the Presidency this fall. Those that do, everyone actually, (even those that don’t,) in my view, should revisit the campaign of 2000 where the MSM pundits had a locker room like “snickering campaign” to destroy Gore’s reputation. The lies and distortions (like the one that has Gore saying he invented the internet,) they spewed then, will all be regurgitated once again by the neocon enabling pundits. If we don’t know the truth, and fight against the smears, we will be reliving the 2004 swiftboating of Kerry, in 2008.
A media watch website, that specializes in debunking the mainstream pundits on a daily basis, is called The Daily Howler.” Check it out. Their archive is a tremendous source. They have documented in great detail the destruction of Gore’s reputation pointing out the actual facts against the lying pundits bullshit.
What ever you feel about Gore it should be based on the truth and not on lies and distortions.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:29 pmGood call, Merlin!
The Daily Howler is a must-read if you want to see the mainstream media’s strange behavior over the last few elections debunked and deconstructed. Bob Somerby is awsome.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:35 pmGummy - If you had a counter-point, you might be interesting….such is not the case. Your ignorant assertion was incorrect and you are incapable of correcting yourself - - oh well….not surprising….
Comment by valiant venus
Nice job of projection, vv. If you can’t reconcile your own two statements, just feel free to admit it and move on.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:18 pmGummy - If you had a counter-point, you might be interesting….such is not the case. Your ignorant assertion was incorrect and you are incapable of correcting yourself - - oh well….not surprising…. Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Pure Projection - from the st*pid c*nt, that thinks humans can’t *solve* a “cycle” we created. Even though for a “man made” accelerated and artificial global warming situation to be a “cycle” - it would have to have occurred before - which it hasn’t.
Dear st*pid c*nt, we are the cause of the current warming - period. This is *science*, and it’s *settled*. Just like e=mc2 and evolution - it’s a *fact*. What’s *religion* is your dogmatic claim that *science* which says if we don’t do something, we’re f*cked is a power grab. What’s a power grab is our attack in Iraq, the NeoNaziCon policies, and your economic st*pidity!
The IPCC has already debunked your Economic DOOM AND GLOOM PESSIMISM related to fixing the problem - st*pid c*nt. Grow up.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:19 pmBack to the original topic… When I told my husband about Attorney-gate in December he thought that maybe I was hallucinating or something as he had not heard a word about this. When it blew open in February he asked me why this story was not on the news. Earlier this month I told him about the Iraq oil PSA’s and how the oil companies were going to steal 80% of the oil profits and he was again not sure if he should believe me. I started sending him links to various Iraq oil PSA stories, and he was shaking his head again, wondering why this information was not being covered by the MSM.
My husband is a very intelligent, usually informed person, but does not spend the time at TP or DU that I do. And he is not the only intelligent person who only gets his news from the MSM (and me!). He doesn’t watch the evening network news anymore because he does know that there isn’t much quality there anymore. He does read the Boston Globe and New York Times pretty regularly, but they were slow to pick up on these stories, too, and is amazed that these 2 “liberal” newspapers did not cover these stories when they first came out.
And I guess we can understand why the Imposter still has 28% of the population, ‘cuz they are the ones reading the Boston Herald and New York Post, and watching Faux News.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pmJesus wept.
May 30th, 2007 at 7:29 pmLet me add my name to the roll of those who have given up on this country/empire. Read Edward Gibbon’s ‘The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire’ and tell me the similarities to our own predicament don’t just jump out at you, go ahead, I dare you.
May 30th, 2007 at 10:35 pmThese comments come from a man that not only has a degree in journalism (Columbia, I think), but also hs the experience of of examining policy from within the walls of the Senate and White House. His words are not just common knowledge.
June 2nd, 2007 at 8:54 pmWhat a load of BS. A special “celebrity correspondent.” Well, CNN took Kuntran Chetry from fox and now they’re sliding down further into the mud to be more appealing to the 30%-morons who can’t speak in complete, grammatical sentences - - just like their monkey-boy dictator.
June 7th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWhat’s “DU” as referenced in #63?
June 7th, 2007 at 5:05 pm