Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reports a major scoop in the current edition of the New Yorker. AFP has an overview:
The administration of President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 issue.
…The former intelligence officials depicts planning as “enormous,” “hectic” and “operational,” Hersh writes.
…In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said.
Hersh’s account is consistent with other recent reports. This week, the former deputy director at the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Wayne White, told Forward Magazine:
In recent months I have grown increasingly concerned that the administration has been giving thought to a heavy dose of air strikes against Iran’s nuclear sector without giving enough weight to the possible ramifications of such action.
Joseph Cirincione, a respected non-proliferation expert who decribed himself as “the last remaining person in Washington who believed President George W. Bush when he said that he was committed to a diplomatic solution,” wrote in Foreign Policy Magazine last week that senior administration officials had already made up their mind about to attack Iran:
[C]olleagues with close ties to the Pentagon and the executive branch who have convinced me that some senior officials have already made up their minds: They want to hit Iran…What I previously dismissed as posturing, I now believe may be a coordinated campaign to prepare for a military strike on Iran.
Read the whole story by Hersh.
And so the insanity continues. Obviously, this will push any bad news from Iraq off the front page for quite a while. And the Bush rah-rah crowd will think is great to have a president that does the right thing and doesn’t listen to polls.
Meanwhile, Congress drops its pants, bends over, and spreads its cheeks. And just keeps their mind on the next earmark.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:23 pmNow this is a grand idea. Since we’re stuck in mud in Iraq, we can get some traction in the so-called War On Terror by attacking a country 3 times the size that also has an actual army.
I would say that Congress won’t allow it, but 1) they will (or already have I guess) and 2) they don’t have anything to say about it anyway.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:23 pmWould Bush be this obtuse to wage war against Iran without thinking of the repercussions that would occur? Either that or the neoconservatves realize that they can manipulate Bush so he will do their bidding. Either scenario is quite frightening in its implications.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:26 pmWe must understand what Bush sees himself as here on the Earth. Just he sees himself as is the question of the century, and perhaps the most important question this country needs to find an answer to.
He has no morals.
He has no guilt.
He has no love.
He has absolute power.
He believes he is God’s instrument for God’s mission.
He knows he is always right, therefore he is always right.
Where is he taking this coutnry?
To its total destruction and ruin.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:30 pmMy only comment regarding what the Bushcovites might/will do in Iran…”once an idiot, always an idot!” Mr. & Mrs Bush Sr. ain’t ya proud of what you produced and foisted on the world?
April 8th, 2006 at 12:31 pmNoone has a say about anyhing in this Country any longer. This damn group of Neo Cons had planned on invadeing Iraq and Iran along with Syria and Lebanon before bush stole The Oval Office.
bush will not vacate that Oval Office either . When I read the book ; Behind The War On Terror I saw the damnplan that bush and thugs had laid out to Dominate the Oil/Natural Gas supplies.This group of warmongers don’t give a rats azz about Demoracy its about Control Of The World and the Sooner that The World Gets on This page and Stops these Murders the sooner we can get America Back.
Congress is always buffalo when it comes to bush’s Manadated Wars.
Hersh and others knows more of what is actually happening than anyone in either house plus if those in either house actually cared about the world and wars upon wars .
bush & Co set off a nuke buster bomb in Nevada ,wasn’t that a heads up ?
April 8th, 2006 at 12:34 pmBy the way, when Bush attacks Iran and Iran sends out the terrorists that it supports we will have a real terrorist war on scale that is horriable to imagine.
What will Bush do in response? Why Bush will declare a National Emergency. He will declare the country needs his leadership and point himself President for life. The U.S. Constitution is to be put on the shelf until the emergency is over.
That is where Bush is going.
He will end the U.S. as a Free nation.
Take it to the Bank.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:37 pmI’m starting to believe that Bush truly will go down in history — he may yet lead us into a world war before his term is over.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:38 pmEasy Rider - I am afraid you are correct.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:41 pmWe will regret this madman as our president more than we could have ever imagined six years ago.
Bush is dense enough to believe he can get away with being the bully of the world. Why would this option appeal to the half-wit?
1. It re-enforces his image as “The War President.”
April 8th, 2006 at 12:41 pm2. It shows that he’s willing to attack anyone and the neo-cons believe the use of force will cause enemies to agree to cooperate with USA demands.
3. It allows the military to use its new toys on an evil enemy.
4. It increases attacks on Americans worldwide, thus proving that the “War on Terrorism” is going to be a “long war” and that the president must exercise his authority on all issues relating to terrorism including domestic spying.
5. It causes an increased demand for more military spending, thus helping Bush supporting corporations to take in more money.
6. It distracts Americans from Iraq, immigration, budget problems, domestic spying, leaks out of the WH, lack of adequate health care coverage, repub corruption, voting machine corruption, and on and on. . . . .
7. He gets to dress up and pretend to be a soldier and tell us that he had destroyed our evil enemy so we can sleep soundly tonight.
Shouldn’t there be freedom and democracy in Iran by now? I don’t understand. Did something go wrong with that plan? As I understood it, we bring “freedom” to Iraq and the rest of the Mideast falls into line. What could go wrong?
April 8th, 2006 at 12:42 pm#8 DS
April 8th, 2006 at 12:43 pmBush is on record as saying he wwants to be a “war president” because those are the only ones that are remembered.
So we have a lunatic in the White House, supported by a power mad cabal.
For some reason the image of Slim Pickens riding the nuclear bomb to the ground while cheering “Yahoo” and waving his cowboy hat comes to mind.
Folks, the Apocalypse is nigh.
Nothing like making our own reality.
I wonder if Ralph Nader still thinks there isn’t a dimes worth of difference between Bush and Gore?
-GSD
April 8th, 2006 at 12:44 pmMassachusetts Liberal
I don’t think they do
Could it happen while congress is on vacation?
Coming to a draft board near you…
http://www.sss.gov/
April 8th, 2006 at 12:46 pmAmerica began with a King George and will end with a King George.
-GSD
April 8th, 2006 at 12:46 pmThe 51 million who voted for this idiot will be like the 12 million who bought the record “Saturday Night Fever” you know they are out there in huge numbers–but only few will ever admit they did it.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:48 pmThis madness is for real. The consequences of this are immense: total war for years to come, the total loss of US military strength, incalculable human suffering, a draft, skyrocketing deficits, skyrocketing oil prices, a total destruction of our way of life. This may seem like an exaggeration; it is not. Iraq was a piece of cake compared to what will happen if this comes to pass.
There is a tiny window for Congressional supervision before this happens. If we all let it happen, what will we tell our children?
April 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmMy only prayer is that we will hang George Bush for his war crimes before the rest of the world has to destroy us to accomplish that.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:50 pmwell folks the party’s over. Do you think our Republic can get to it’s collective senses and throw these madmen and women (condi rice) out of office? Take it to the streets folks. And let’s give all those damn worthless fools in Congress their pink slips this year. Power to the people folks, we gotta do it. This is our country and we need to take it back. Easy rider is right, that is the plan of the neocons and PNAC. But hey, Let’s stop it!! Come on now we are the true patriotic Americans and it’s up to us, to save our country and our constitution.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pm“(…)without giving enough weight to the possible ramifications of such action.”
Where have I seen this one before?
April 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pmDon’t tell anyone: they have a doomsday machine.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmPlanning to use nukes. Jesus, Moses, and Carl Sagan. There’s really nothing to say about that, is there?
I haven’t read anything sadder or scarier in quite a while.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmColor me surprised. The public, the media, and eventually the Iranians will bear the brunt of blame for this, for our collective failure to act to stop the carnage.
But we know there are only a handful, relatively, of criminals in our government who are to blame. The largest culpable group is probably the media.
I can’t wait for the day when they will all get their due. I do not advocate violence or death to anyone; rather, total solitary isolation for life…I mean totaly devoid of any human contact ever again.
Above all, I hope they live long under such conditions.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:55 pmThis has got to be a joke. Seriously, you have to be joking. All through out the cold war, the world managed, just barely managed, to avoid nuclear warfare. A WWIII situation which could eliminate the human race. All throughout the cold war, and here, it ends. If ever it is asked who was the most evil man in the history of all humanity, we will have our answer.
Come to sunny South Africa, the crime may be an issue but our mines are deep.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:56 pmFolks, the Apocalypse is nigh.
So much for the good news on his low approval ratings and the unraveling of his regime. They won’t matter in his grand scheme of things.
I wonder if Ralph Nader still thinks there isn’t a dimes worth of difference between Bush and Gore?
Comment by GSD — April 8, 2006 @ 12:44 pm
I didn’t know he said that. Guess he’s probably eating those words now.
This is appalling. We have no checks in place to stop this madman any longer. And We the People, as a whole, have only ourselves to blame.
How hard do you think those people who voted for Bush in 2004 will be kicking themselves when this starts?
April 8th, 2006 at 12:56 pmAnyone notice the full page ad in the NY Times this week placed by the American Jewish Congress depicting the supposed range of Iran’s missles. Of course, viewing the map with its coincentric circles made clear that the bulleye target was Iran.
April 8th, 2006 at 12:58 pmTake it to the streets folks. And let’s give all those damn worthless fools in Congress their pink slips this year. Power to the people folks, we gotta do it. This is our country and we need to take it back.
Comment by Freebird — April 8, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
I’m wondering if it will be too late by then. A lot can happen in a month, much less 7 of them…
April 8th, 2006 at 12:59 pmThot’s,
That hasn’t happened yet. The 700 ton conventional weapon is set to be blown up on June 2. 700 Toms is big enough that it doesn’t have to be a nuke.
Here is why they want bigger conventional weapons:
Because they want to be able to kill everybody and destroy everything and then go in a take the oil without having to wait for the fall out to clear.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:00 pmGeorgie Porgy pudding and pie,
Sent the bombers up in the sky.
Don’t be talking about no Iraq,
This one will be mighty craic.
The king in the Whitehouse would not lie.
“craic” pronounced crack, Irish for a good time.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:00 pmNow THAT, folks, is terrorism.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:02 pmThis is excellent news. Everybody look busy, Jesus is coming.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:05 pmHaven’t seen anywhere else with the story yet, and this is a big one if true. Lets hope it isn’t.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmHaven’t seen anywhere else with the story yet, and this is a big one if true. Lets hope it isn’t.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmBush has been planning to attack Iran for months now! He has to do it before summer > it is his plan to undermine the Democrats in the November elections! Having an all out war with hundreds of our troops killed each month will be used as cover to conceal massive vote fraud for the Republicans! Heck Dubya might even declare Martial Law and cancel the elections?!
April 8th, 2006 at 1:13 pmLook, folks. Is anybody surprised? Bush’s ratings are almost in the twenties range. nuking Iran would inject fear and confusion into the american public. they’ve got nothing to lose. nuking iran is probably the only way that they could divert attention from Fitzgerald’s investigation.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:17 pmRemember how all of the Bush Administration cabinet officers sat in the hallowed US House Chamber during the first State of the Union speech before March 19, 2003? Chins high in the air, proud expression on their faces, they were so, oh so, happy to be there at that time.
Two words come to mind: Evil Empire.
This planning of these wars have been going on since Reagan took office. Had Ronald Reagan not had a conscience, and you may disagree, it would have all taken place sooner than later.
‘Trust, but verify’- Ronald Reagan
You cannot trust any of these neoconning former liberals, not now, not anytime.
They’re just plain old evil, pure and simple.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:18 pmLooks like George W Bush is truly the anti-Christ. This must be why the fundamentalists are so in love with him. They believe that W will bring on the Rapture. Won’t they be disappointed when they die like all the rest of us. What is there is no heaven or hell? All though living through the Bush regime is close be living in hell.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmCan someone comment (intelligently, and as factually as possible, please) on what authorization Bush has or needs to proceed with this kind of action? It seems that the war authorization that took us into Iraq has been used to justify a lot of questionable actions — but certainly attacking a different soverign nation requires authorization from Congress, yes?
I’m not of the mind that Congress will deny him that power (yet), but if there is, at least, that step required than at least there’s time to try and make clear to our representatives that this is not what we want. And if we do have that opportunity, we’re going to have to use it — and use it big.
I couldn’t have imagined I could wake up and read something more upset ting today than I have the last three months.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmCan anybody say Joe Lieberman?
April 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmHoly shit. This really is the end of days, isn’t it? He’s not even trying to sell this war to us like with Iraq.
Maureen Dowd, in The Divine Right of Bushes today, draws a fascinating parallel between Scooter Libby and the 1700 year-old Judas manuscript recently found. It’s worth a read and it gives an interesting glimpse into the unreasoning behind some George Bush’s more hair-raising decisions.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:23 pmHAARP and earthquakes.
google it, and see what you find.
of course if you go to the military’s website on HAARP you will not find any indication that they have the capability to make earthquakes occur; they CAN!!
and what happened in Iran last week?
April 8th, 2006 at 1:24 pm36
The neo-cons were never actually liberals. They were like Jane Fonda, political fashionists. When it was fashionable, they smoked weed and protested against war, not out of any real belief, but because it was fashionable.
And they sold the “Dirty Hippy” moniker not because they disliked hippies, but because it was fashionable.
Now, evil is in fashion.
That said, we only recently got word that the US Pentagon is planning a information war, and if this story is not true, it could hurt a lot of liberal blogs when Bush stands up and says “No I didn’t” and procedes to prove it. This story needs a fact check, because while it sounds horrifying if it is true, it sounds entirely too, well, sensational.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:27 pmThere is no problem with our Iraq or Middle East policy which the deaths of several hundred million Arab and Persian muslims can’t cure.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmThese idiots think they are doing what’s necessary to save their version of the american lifestyle. They believe that they must stop Iran or they will gain control the region and hold us hostage with the oil from the mideast, and possibly cut into the sacred corporate profits.
They think they have to act now before they lose Congress and can’t act as an unchecked unitary executive. Can’t have a Dem House or Senate preventing them from doing what in their minds is imperative to saving the world. And, as an added bonus, the US public will blindly rally around them and possibly retain the repug majority in Congress.
The attack will come before the November elections, because the neocons fear thay won’t be able to do it if they wait any longer.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:29 pmPost 38 > Bush believes that since he is now King of the United States, he no longer has to ask the Congress for war! They will be told to rubber stamp whatever he wants! He might even attack Iran without warning and then tell the Congress?! They are all sheep now anyways! Heck even Rep. Cynthia McKinney has been cowed now and she was the biggest anti-war person left in the Congress! We now live under a dictatorship and war on Iran is very soon!
April 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pm25 - unbelievable,
April 8th, 2006 at 1:32 pmYou can’t kick anyone when you’re dead. Make sure that the tank is full and you have enough fuel for the generator for at least 48 hours. Stock up on canned goods with late expiration dates. Plan on six months worth. Be sure that you have a can opener. You will also need water to drink and cook with., plan on a couple quarts per day for each person in your household. Copy all of your photos from your computer to a few memory sticks and store them in one of those lead shielded 35 MM film cases. And if the bomb hits within 5 miles up wind of your location, just kiss your ass goodbye – there isn’t enough duct tape in the world to save you.
Oh, yes, and buy a few AK47s and enough ammo to take out at least 6000 people (In self-defense).
Bush is adding to his war crimes resume. From his perspective, he’s got nothing to lose. The blowback on our troops in Iraq will be stunning. Does anyone really think that attacking Iran will suddenly change the attitudes of the people in the ME towards us? Bush will be assuring the IsSlamic extremism becomes dominant. The moderates in the region will be totally marginalized. Watch as the oil pipelines go down in Saudi Arabia. This administration is totally insane.
I truely believe that this action is premeditated to once again change the mid-term election dynamics here. These people cannot lose their grip on power…they are in way too deep and there’s no going back now. I hope the American people are smarter about this then they were in 2002.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pmDoesn’t starting WWIII and ending life as we know it,
April 8th, 2006 at 1:35 pmhave to be approved by the Rubber-Stamp Congress?
nukes are so 1950. come on guys, US military has moved on to different ways of attacking the enemy. And they have already attacked Iran. They attacked ‘em last week. They attacked ‘em three years ago, killing tens of thousands! with earthquakes!
it’s all done through the Van Allen Belts, an electromagnetic force field in the ionosphere. When Bush and co. were talking about Saddam’s WMDs and that Saddam was moving them around and that they didn’t know where they were, it was all a charade. It doesn’t matter how deep below the ground the “enemy” tries to conduct its nuclear/WMD operations, the US military knows exactly where they are.
They can x-ray the earth; they can create sea squalls, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, they can intercept any radio frequencies or even interfere with communications of the “enemy.” with this technology.
they have been researching it since the first rocket was sent to outer space. they have been studying the physics of the ionosphere.
We will never know just what they can do. But physiciss and other scientists out there can tell us.
http://www.earthpulse.com/src/product.asp?productid=5
April 8th, 2006 at 1:39 pm#39
Absolutely, there are already links on Daily Koz and Buzzflash that indicates that Joementum may have been at those meetings. Just like Zell Miller, he is a pathetic sellout.
If Harry Taylor can stand up to the most stupidest man in the entire universe, why not the Democrats. We should write to them every week. Snail mail or e-mail, we have to let them know where we stand and ask them, no, DEMAND that they speak out for US and against Dumbya.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:39 pmThe Rubber Stamp Congress has to approve the budget to pay for WWIII and last I heard they left Washington for a 2 week vacation.
It might be time to brush up on my Spanish. Mexico is starting to look appealing.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:45 pmThe most frightening part of this story is that it fits nicely into what has become a pattern for this President and his administration. We can only hope that despite the fit, this situation will be the exception, rather than the rule.
Sadly, Iran may well be a much larger problem than we could have ever imagined to find in Iraq. Now that we have squandered our ‘good will’ capital with the International community, we may well be between a rock and a hard place. Such are the consequences of the unfettered stacking of numerous miscalculations.
http://www.thoughttheater.com
April 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pmThis is one of those nights, where I am glad to be a South African. We don’t have oil (We have SASOL which can make petrol out of coal, but no actual oil) and we are nice and far away from anyone important.
As an added bonus, the city I live in sits right on top of the deepest mines in the world. Currently I am learning to stop worrying and love the bomb.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pmSadly… I think we all saw this coming when BushCo invaded Iraq in the first place. Iran would be next. A culture of fear is all this evil government gives to the American people. Sheep to the slaughter. Animal Farm? 1984?
BushCo = LIARS
April 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pmUnbelievable- In reference to #25, kicking themselves isn’t good enough when it came to what 61 million people committed was the stupidest presidential election ever in 2004. They need to bang their heads against the walls and…kick themselves.
If Dumbya ever commits an act of nuking Iran, and we have to travel out of the country, we should wear T-shirts every day that indicate that we do not support Dumbya. Maybe political asylum would be best for us if the worst come to worst.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pmApparently you didn’t see Bill Maher last night. Cynthia is not cowed.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pmNot only Hersh, others also expect war on Iran soon: http://dearkitty.modblog.com/ core.mod?show=blogview&blog_id=816848
April 8th, 2006 at 1:50 pmDown the Straits of Hormuz,
April 8th, 2006 at 1:50 pmOil tankers they do cruise.
Should one get a rocket and sink,
Then problems me do think.
Dub, are you still on the booze?
If this isn’t just a ploy to draw attention away from Iraq, I am seriously scared. Not so much that it might happen - public will might prevail this time - but that the people who lead our country are this moronic. This is crazy on so many levels. Is religious fundamentalism starting to drive some kind of apocalyptic push? You know, God put me in the presidency to bring on the Last Times? Wow. The idiocy of this is frankly unbelievable.
April 8th, 2006 at 1:52 pm#16,
Hey, don’t knock SNF…..
Okay, anyone remember The Dead Zone?
April 8th, 2006 at 1:52 pmWithin hours of the bombs droping on Iran every American soldier in Iraq would be in expreme danger. I know Bush is clueless…but would he be willing to accept the consequences?
April 8th, 2006 at 1:56 pmThe Dead Zone book, movie or TV series?
April 8th, 2006 at 1:57 pmPost 53 the US has so many nukes to explode that someone like Rumsfeld might say to drop a few on South Africa just for the heck of it?! I would hate to have to live in a mineshaft for years > makes me think of the movie “Time Machine” where the people who hid underground to escape nuclear war turned into cannibal Warlocks who ate the docile people who survived on the surface! Nuclear war would most likely kill off 99% of the world’s population and just a few confused and hungry people remaining! Some in Australia and maybe a few in places like South Africa, but the United States would be completely wiped out with just a few crazed idiots like Cheney living in deep underground bunkers > yes Dick would eat people to survive!
April 8th, 2006 at 1:58 pmMay I add, I threw a fit, sent out emails to all my representatives when and before congress allowed this nut case to go to war with Iraq. The wording in these papers they passed gave him power, as I remember, to march all over the world and do as he chooses. This is a night mare and I am not suprised that this is the end result. That’s why I went into a rage then and have remained there since. Untill we take this son of a barbara out we are screwed. Heard about the bomb in Nevada a couple of months ago, but there is much more, to much to list. It would not suprise me if this basterd does this while our do nothing representatives are on vacation. So much for feeling a little safer for a couple of weeks. The greedy evil basterds all, will distroy all they can to bring on their armagedon for all the middle east and at our distruction as well. They are the terrorists….Blessings..P.S. going to work in the garden while I still can….Buy buletts, food and water. The buletts are to keep the food and water,,,,were going to need them….
April 8th, 2006 at 2:04 pmThere will be cheering and “support the troops” calls if and when becuase America likes nothing better than killin.’ But there will be less of it than usuall.
These madmen must be stopped by any means necessary. It is up to all of us to do what we can to SHUT THIS COUNTRY DOWN and demand nothing less than the arrest of these thugs — all of them.
April 8th, 2006 at 2:04 pmIt might be time to brush up on my Spanish. Mexico is starting to look appealing.
Comment by cats are flyfishn — April 8, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
You may be right. Down here in the Southwest many of us have that covered already. Glad to be bilingual at times like this.
April 8th, 2006 at 2:04 pmPost 56 > Spudge: McKinney is my Representative in Congress and I like her, but when Pelosi forced her to apologize for defending herself against a bad cop guard at the Capital, she has been compromised to a certain degree! In fact I think she was set up on the incident or the GOP just took advantage of it to humiliate her?! I did not see Bill Maher last nite, but nice to hear that she still tries to fight back!
April 8th, 2006 at 2:06 pmThe blowback from this will be gigantic. The US using a nuclear weapon,regardless of size, on another nation, to stop them from getting the same weapon! That makes total sense in Bushworld! The neo-cons are truly insane. I wonder if the Iranians will be grateful for being nuked or if they would respond like those “ingrate Iraqis” after we liberated them?
April 8th, 2006 at 2:13 pmWalt, thanks for the tips, but frankly, sometimes I wonder if I’d want to survive such an event. The aftermath might just not be worth it.
This is very disconcerting. I think he will pull out the nukes if Congress lets him pull it off. And from the new forum above this one, it sounds like they are not only willing, but foaming at the mouth.
And we wondered why they made sure Timothy McVeigh was made an example of. Just a warning not to stand up to the government.
I don’t think anyone will come to liberate us. The egocentric jerks in this country have made sure of that.
But I want it to be said that I voted for Kerry in 2004.
April 8th, 2006 at 2:21 pmThat’s a pretty scary article.
What the hell is a “bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon”??
April 8th, 2006 at 2:23 pmIf there were to be a nuclear attack on the United States, as a response from Iran, it would be on places that didn’t even vote for Bush. All the neo-cons can go hide in their barns while New York and LA will be burning. Irony abound in this administration
April 8th, 2006 at 2:24 pmThis cannot happen. We need to be in the streets over this one.
April 8th, 2006 at 2:32 pmI guess I never really wanted to live beyond the age of 56 anyway. We ticked off most of the world when we invaded Iraq, I can’t believe the other countries of the world would stand back and let us do this. Syria, Egypt, and the rest of the middle east aren’t going to sit by and watch, since it’s likely they may be next. The retaliation is going to be hell from all sides.
April 8th, 2006 at 2:46 pmIf Congress gave him authorization for war on whoever, can’t they also take it back or put stipulations on it?
Maybe we could get Congress to stop him, because of job security. You can’t be a senator or representative, if there isn’t anyone left to represent.
Maybe we could get Congress to stop him, because of job security. You can’t be a senator or representative, if there isn’t anyone left to represent.
Comment by Nancy L. — April 8, 2006 @ 2:46 pm
I emailed my elected neocons to let them know that I opposed military action against Iran at this time. Not that they care what I think so far, but November is getting closer…
April 8th, 2006 at 2:56 pmThe UK posted a story like this on the 2nd.
April 8th, 2006 at 2:57 pmI want to propose something a little more radical: perhaps this is a bluff.
If you accept the NEO-con view of geopolitics in the Middle East, the US has no power because everyone thinks the US is a bunch of pussies who can’t accept a single dead soldier. But if it’s own citizens — you and I, folks — are freaking out this much, have this little faith that our leaders are rational, are SO convinced that Bush might just do something this fucking insane… maybe the Iranians will believe it as well?
Look, if this was a movie than only a handful of people would know this was a bluff. They wouldn’t even let the Chiefs of Staff know. Rumsfield might not even know. It needs to be that convincing.
I don’t know. I don’t want to believe things are so insane that such a scenario could exist, but … but it’s another way to look at it. That said, protesting in the streets serves our interest and the administrations — it’s a no lose response.
April 8th, 2006 at 2:57 pmThis confirms that Iran does not have any nuclear weapons. Or does GWB want to start a nuclear war? Come on Russia! Hook Iran up!!! A handfull of “loose nukes” would do the trick! And as to needing Congressional approval first, BushCo wil just whip out the good old AUMF that he got from them, way back when. It has all sorts of Congressional approval left in it. And remember, if they don’t think they will get the ok, they will just do it anyway.
April 8th, 2006 at 3:00 pmTo those who are wondering what the Bush-lovers will say when WWIII begins with nuclear weapons - I don’t think they will change their minds. I think they will believe GW is a “good man” saving the world from the Iranians. Even when the mushroom clouds appear, I don’t think they will waver in their undying love for the man.
April 8th, 2006 at 3:28 pmThe 37% of Bush supporters who remain in this country are hopelessly lost. They won’t see that their misguided votes precipitated the hell.
In fact, Robertson, Falwell and Company are awaiting the end of days already.
Who is the intended audience of the Hersh piece?
The idea of nuking Iran is so bugshit crazy that it may only be that — a bugshit crazy idea. Have we considered that the Bushies wanted this set of leaks to go out? It’s not like they don’t love to leak stories. The dea is so nuts, and the immediate reactions are so obvious — the mullahs in Iran would be strengthened politically, Iraq and northern Saudi Arabia will be up in arms against us, the rest of the Islamic world will be furious, Europe would turn away from the US — that one has to wonder if this story isn’t an attempt to intimidate the Iranians. And it has been standard operating procedure for the US government since WWII to convince the enemy that it is up against a madman.
Besides, they have seven months to try to scare the shit out of us first.
April 8th, 2006 at 3:36 pmThe Pentagon is preparing to test a 700 ton bunker-busting bomb at a test site in Nevada on June 2nd.
April 8th, 2006 at 3:40 pmWhat’s the big deal? We used the Nuclear Bunker Buster in the first Gulf War!
If Dad can do it, why can’t Son?
Sheesh, you all act as if Nukes are bad!
April 8th, 2006 at 3:53 pm[…] Think Progress. Duncan Jackass. (In fairness, the little song he made up sounds catchy ) […]
April 8th, 2006 at 4:05 pmIt’s time for the return of “Flower Power!”
Remember when protestots of the Vietnam Conflict completely surrounded the Pentagon back in the late sixtys? Remember when one million people marched in D.C. and at the Pentagon? No?
Check this out:
http://home.sandiego.edu/~hhaynes/1967-1969.htm
http://www.warresisters.org/historic.htm
http://space4peace.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 03/ protest-at-pentagon.html
April 8th, 2006 at 4:58 pmWhat if Russia and/or China decide to defend or respond to an attack to Iran?
WW III probable, or the first installment of Now it is Eastasia, or Now it is Eurasia
eternal war.
April 8th, 2006 at 5:07 pmWHAT THE FREAKING HELL!!!???
AER WE JUST GOING TO LET THESE TROGLODYTE NEO-RAPTURISTS END THE F***ING WORLD?
I’m not being jokey here — if you thought we risked attack at home and abroad from Al Qaeda, remember: Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons and will not sit quietly by when our insane criminal government nukes a peaceful nation with whom we are NOT EVEN AT WAR!!!
Do we civilians have no role here but to hope that the Generals and Admirals will stop their superiors?
April 8th, 2006 at 5:18 pmThink - could this be one of bushitails selective leaks (see article below) in order to cover up his leaking mouth. Nukes seem insane. Yet he would not be the first saber rattler who used fear to divert attention from something he does not want known.
April 8th, 2006 at 5:31 pmNo one seems to have considered possible economic consequences if such an idiocy were performed.
It’s necessary to understand that the U.S. is the world’s largest debtor nation and is dependent on dollar recycling. That is, the Treasury sells debt to rest of world - primarily China, Japan, and - indirectly (e.g. through London) and directly - the oil exporting nations - which is also then a $ reflux into the U.S. which allows us to continue spending more than we earn while also helping to support production in the aforementioned areas and more. In effect, global vendor financing provided to a going insane debtor.
Differently, we _depend_ upon a reflux of more than $2 billion per day. The U.S. may have the military ’strength’ but its economic is directly dependent on rest of world. This is, you see, is a large contradiction, one in which rest of world effectively pays for its own submission.
Perhaps it tires of this and pulls the plug — bombing another non-aggresor may be all that’s required.
Should our largest creditors not only cease purchasing new Treasury debt but try to dump what they have already accumulated, we could expect interest rates to skyrocket, and with this an immediate credit crunch, tens of thousands of business failures, mass unemployment, social chaos in the larger urban areas… You get the picture, the economy would shut down - and NOT just in the U.S..
Global economic chaos and great international tensions could easily take the world into a terminal war. Recall that, while the Cold War may have ended, Russia retains a very large number of operable ICBMs, and then are many others ’scattered’ about.
You may already suspect what, if still in existance, probable government actions would be — direct, dictatorial, and extreme state control of all aspects of life. I mean, many of the institutions required have already been created. Stalin would look like a piker in comparison.
Of course, this is the most extreme scenario, at least the most extreme that I’m able to imagine.
April 8th, 2006 at 5:43 pm#74 unbelievable. Me, too
April 8th, 2006 at 6:14 pmI’ve written and emailed my two senators, who happen to be Republican, and the representatives who are Democrats. I get form letters regularly from one senator, in response to my emails. The other one rarely responds. My representative is more responsive and personal.
I’m not happy with either senator, they say one thing, then later the GOP gets to them and they change. I plan on definately changing my vote this Nov., that is, if we’re still here, in Nov.
The democrat senator in favor of all this is none other that Lieberman. Lieberman is Jewish and has been given all the details.
As I have posted thousands of times Bush has arranged with the Israelis to bomb Iran, and to use nuclear bombs.
When Iran rataliates against Israel, we get into the fray. This has been planned for years. We have a defense pact with Israel and no congressional authhority is needed.
You people up there talk a good game, but do nothing. You should drop your keyboards and hit the streets against this administration.
Will it happen? HELL NO, NO GUTS, NO PASSION, NO NOTHING.
April 8th, 2006 at 6:40 pmPost 89 Paul: The reason the Patriot Act was passed by the Congress is because they fear a revolt or revolution by the American people against them! The war on Iran, which will trigger WWIII, would/will require an emergency draft of thousands of young Americans, so they know a majority of Americans will resist, hence the Patriot Act used to suppress or arrest them! Since you live in Mexico you have to realize that your President Fox is a swine too so overthrow him!
April 8th, 2006 at 6:51 pmI voted for Kerry too. So did my mother. We have got to continue to get Congress to see things our way. Otherwise, they will just bow down too much and with those nukes, we are in BIG FUCKING TROUBLE.
April 8th, 2006 at 7:22 pmBush: Nuke Iran…
“The administration of President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran,……
April 8th, 2006 at 7:33 pmI plan on definately changing my vote this Nov., that is, if we’re still here, in Nov.
Comment by Nancy L. — April 8, 2006 @ 6:14 pm
In six months, I’ve gotten one form letter from the White House and one from my Congressman, Nathan Deal. They were both pretty condescending, and assumed I was the average idiot who could be appeased with the usual vapid comments and an hour of the local FOX affilate at dinnertime.
The lack of ‘public servant’ accountability to the voters is appalling. And where available, in November, I intend to vote for independents.
April 8th, 2006 at 8:49 pmBush and cheney are so insulated from from reality by the choices they have made that this approach is to them a sane next step. This bias pattern of choices is illustrated in the inclusion of the sixteen words that were not vetted or approved in Bushs state of the union address. It is also reflected in cheneys choice of foxnews as his window on america and the world. The 30 copies of the weeklystandard that cheney has delivered to his offices represents what is known as advocacy
April 8th, 2006 at 8:57 pmjournalism. The premier issue of this periodical in 1997 advocated the invasion of Iraq. The problem with this kind of approach is one of increasing errors. If they were to pursue Iran It
would invietably involve north korea who with good reason would be terrified they would be next.
While N. Koreas conventional capacity is impressive its defensive durability is very questionable
given the demonstrated quality of the airland doctrine of our military. Given north koreas general
paranoia they might decide war on their terms is their best option. looking at it logically I would
agree.
Couple of notes:
1) Iran is tectonically active. Dropping a bunch of bunker buster bombs will shake Iran. Stealth planes will drop these bombs in the middle of the night. Many rural Iranians live (and sleep) in stone homes, which often collapse in earthquakes. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians probably will die if Bush bombs Iran with bunker buster bombs. (Hmmm, maybe Bush is writing a new chapter for Dale Carnegie’s “How to Win Friends and Influence People”?).
2) In the Iran/Iraq War of the 1980s, Iranian ayatollahs picked up Iranian high school students, shipped them to the front, roped them together and sent them out into mine-fields to clear them with their feet. The 1990s progressive backlash against these insane Iranian ayatollahs occurred because Iranians daily saw those teenagers among them…at least those who survived their clearing of mine-fields…but without feet, or legs, or arms, or blinded.
3) Just as what happened before the Iraq War began in2003, Bush has ordered the maxing out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, while also increasing it’s capacity for crude oil storage from 750 million barrels to 1 billion barrels. This “fill up” is occurring right now. (Hmmm, is this why the price of gas at the pump has significantly jumped in the past month??? Just like it did in late 2002 and early 2003 before Bush started the Iraq War???).
April 8th, 2006 at 8:59 pmGeorge Bush is insane. This is unbelievable. Doesn’t he have a clue? With this bastard in power we will soon be a world at war.
April 8th, 2006 at 9:08 pmA little brevity to alleviate the tension from this news:
HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ARE NEEDED TO REPLACE A LIGHT BULB?
ANSWER: 10
1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed.
April 8th, 2006 at 9:16 pm2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed.
3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb.
4. One to tell the nations of the world that they are either “For changing the light bulb or for darkness.”
5. One to give a billion-dollar, no-bid contract to Halliburton for the new light bulb.
6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a stepladder under the banner “Light Bulb Change Accomplished.”
7. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally “in the dark.”
8. One to viciously smear #7.
9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light bulb-changing policy all along.
10. And, finally: one to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.
I am really amazed as reading these comments ? who do you think Bush is ? he is our servant and he gets his power from each of us. We should not allow him to make another war and attack Iran under American flag. He has done enough damage to the soul of America and us. If we the people the citizen of this land can not stop this then shame on us. We could prevent Iran developing nuke and ultimately help Iranian people to change this regime peacefully by helping them to exercise democracy and demand their god giving rights as a citizen of Iran and world for better life. It may take longer but that is the American way.
April 8th, 2006 at 11:26 pmI know George W. Bush is a dolt, surrounded by craven yes-men and/or power-hungry manipulators, but I just cannot believe this is being seriously considered. Surely there’s someone in the food chain somewhere with enough professionalism and integrity to realize that everything Bush touches turns to lead and this would be a disaster at every level.
Bush has already left two huge steaming piles of turds in the Middle East, and now he wants to do this?
Is he actually asking for a revolution on Main Street USA?
April 8th, 2006 at 11:29 pmGood posts all, like the funny Unbelievable. I’m going to work on some more signing for my old truck. No More Bush war’s should do, in giant letters. Will hammer out my e=mails as usual and link up localy with marchers, how about all of you posters.? Were runing out of time……Blessing
April 9th, 2006 at 12:06 am#85 El Cid: Are we going to have a military coup in the USA? To prevent the unthinkable… it just may have to happen. The military just might be the entity that saves us after all.
April 9th, 2006 at 12:39 amThe military just might be the entity that saves us after all.
Would that be the military all you kookbats hate???
April 9th, 2006 at 1:32 am#83, Kevin Schmidt:
If you plan on a protest with a million marchers, you’d better get the illegals involved. they’re the only ones who can amass such numbers. You kooks couldn’t even total a million, worldwide, on the third anniversary of the invasion, and subsequent liberation, of Iraq.
Maybe those illegals will do the protests that Americans won’t do…
April 9th, 2006 at 1:39 amHersh: Bush Planning Massive Bombing Campaign Against Iran…
Hey, do we get to accuse the President of “wagging the dog” this time?…
April 9th, 2006 at 2:30 am#93: warhawk means chickenshit.
April 9th, 2006 at 3:12 amCORRECTION:#102 & 103;warhawk=chickenshit.
April 9th, 2006 at 3:17 amBush & co. believe that W. has ‘inherent power’ to do anything he wants, Congress, courts, and the American people be damned.
April 9th, 2006 at 8:16 amSo now the master plan becomes clear. Bush & NeoCon Co. planned this all along. Iraq is the newly acquired U.S. airbase from which to strike at Iran. What Islamic country near Iran would have permitted base/flyover rights to strike at a fellow Islamic country, even if the Iranians happen to be mostly Shiite?
If true, the implications are frightening. S. Hersh has a good track record, but he has very occasionally gotten things wrong. I sure hope it’s the latter for all of our sakes.
We continue to pay the price of our interventionist policies against Iran in 1953, “Operation Ajax” and “The CIA in Iran.”
April 9th, 2006 at 9:56 amYou are way behind the curve on this one, fool. But wait’ll you see what “Chimpy Halliburton” has in store next. Guess you’ll have to check with Sy, to stay abreast of what’s in store for you kooks…
April 9th, 2006 at 10:06 am#105 and 106: GURU=Girly-man. Ain’t this fun, GURU?
April 9th, 2006 at 10:10 amWARHAWK, why aren’t YOU over there getting your stupid ass blown up!..? Another Armchair Warrior waiting for your filthy Armageddon?
And talk about getting outin the streets! We were just treated to LOTS of coverage of big demonstrations by Illegals in Ca. waving Mexican flags and youths in France, but when there were half a million AMERICANS in the streets of Washington (several times!) protesting the iraq invasion NONE of the big Media Boyz (including Lou Dobbs) made a peep about it!
(Betcha Warhawk watches little except FUX news anyway!)
My new bumpah stickah:
BUSH/CHENEY: Fooling LESS of the People ALL of the Time!
April 9th, 2006 at 10:19 amWhen a nation goes to war, it should consider all options, not just those that are supported by the lily-livered pseduo-morality of its most cowardly leftists. Clinton would not have had the guts to ante up to Iranian tables with tactical nukes. And that, my friends, is why he let 911 hapen.
April 9th, 2006 at 10:29 amI won’t go into details, but I truly believe that these wars are nothing more than coverups for the real truth. That Bush and his family have thier hands in more than just the war against terrorism. It’s probably just my mind playing tricks on me, but there are quite a few former agents that have all of a sudden became “bankers” at the highest levels, agents that were serving while George H.W. Bush was the point man. There’s much more to this story than the media is willing (or being told not to) share with the public. But it’s obvious enough that THE REAL THREAT to national security is sitting in office right now.
If you look at the web that surrounds the Bush family and those involved with them right now, it reads like the greatest mob’s tale never told before. I’m sure some here would agree that the movies “The Godfather” and “Star Wars” combine have nothing on this virtual movie of the Bush family.
Bottom line: You can be a fool for thinking that Bush has america in his best interest if you want to, by going to war. But it’s very much apparent that this family is doing nothing more than pimping america like Bishop Don Magic Juan.
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I’m betting anything that HAARP has something to do with those Iran earthquakes, that none of those were “natural”. It was just too convient for that to happen in that fashion and at that particular time. Looking further back in time, I have to wonder if the tsunami that hit not too long ago in the Indian Ocean (’04) was a “mis-fire” triggered by HAARP, looking to hit Iraq? Maybe that’s stretching it a bit, I have no idea.
April 9th, 2006 at 10:36 amBut, before you totally dismiss what I’ve said on this issue, Scientists have been very busy looking for reasons as to why there were no warnings before that tsunami hit and they reported strange wave patterns…..Who knows more about this than HAARP?
The leaks out of the Pentagon are claiming that the highest period of danger for Bush launching an attack on Iran is between April 17 and June 1 of this year > that is a 6 week period of the best opportunity for Bush to carry out his evil plan! After June 1 it is too hot climate wise to attack Iran > Gulf Region heats up to temps way over 100 degrees which is difficult to wage war under! Next opportunity for Bush would be the first week of October, but that would be cutting it too close to the November elections! So if you all want to stop this madness, you have this next week before Easter, but the stupid Congress has gone on vacation untill April 24th! My worry is that Bush will launch the attack after Easter and before the Congress returns?!
April 9th, 2006 at 10:55 am#110 warhawk:No one squeezed your head so why are you spouting chickenshit.
April 9th, 2006 at 11:19 amThe irony of this quote is just amazing.
April 9th, 2006 at 12:17 pmWhen a nation goes to war, it should consider all options, not just those that are supported by the lily-livered pseduo-morality of its most cowardly leftists. Clinton would not have had the guts to ante up to Iranian tables with tactical nukes. And that, my friends, is why he let 911 hapen.
Comment by Leonidas — April 9, 2006 @ 10:29 am
There is just so much, that is downright stupid about that statement, that it has to be sarcasm.
April 9th, 2006 at 12:38 pmFeingold should call for impeachment. This is insane. The federal debt is already at 9 trillion dollars, but Bush just ignores that. Yes, the president of Iran is insane, but we should not go in there and nuke them. No matter how fanatical he gets, or how much we disagree with his sometimes insultingly stupid opinions, we must remember that he was elected democratically. If Bush flip-flops on giving democracy to the Middle East, that will be very harmful to not only his image but to the American people as a whole. If Bush invades Iran, his approval rating may drop to less than 10%, and there would have to be a draft. Bush will not expect there to be a backlash from the Iranian people, but our children will pay when Iran gets out of hand. Enough is enough, it is time for impeachment. Take him out of office, Feingold!!!
April 9th, 2006 at 12:45 pm[…] This morning on CNN, New Yorker journalist Seymour Hersh addressed the uproar at the highest levels of the U.S. military over plans to launch a massive strike against Iran that would include nuclear weapons: What I’m writing here is that if this [plan to use nukes] isn’t removed — and I say this very seriously, I’ve been around this town for 40 years — some senior officers are prepared to resign. They’re that upset about the fact that this plan is kept in. … [O]ne thing about our military, they’re very loyal to the president, but they’re getting to the edge. They’re getting to the edge with not only Rumsfeld, but with Cheney and the President. […]
April 9th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThe American public may have to depend on networks like Al Jazeera for any news of an attack on Iran (or anywhere else) because the American and British press would probably be under a blackout.
April 9th, 2006 at 2:46 pm…if they don’t blackout Al Jazeera as well.
April 9th, 2006 at 2:51 pm#111, Granny B.: Whazzup yo? You musta done the countin’ for the Million Man and Million More Marches. Half a million in the streets? Several times? hahaha!!!
Sheeeit, yo, the third anniversary of the liberation of Iraq was a few days ago, and there weren’t half a million protestors WORLDWIDE! Wuzzup wid dat, yo?
Sorry, Granny B., you can’t count the city’s population when you’s tabulatin’ those representin’ during a protest. Nice try, chump. You give me the giggles. And BTW, I served twenty years in the military–what did you serve, twenty years upstate?
#115, GURU: If I want any lip from you, I’ll scrape it off my zipper. Grow up, son. From now on, you’re known to me as Goo-goo…
April 9th, 2006 at 9:23 pmChickenshithawk:What do you need a zipper for?Pervert.
April 10th, 2006 at 1:14 am[…] Think Progress […]
April 10th, 2006 at 5:42 pmGoo-goo, if I want any lip from you…
April 10th, 2006 at 5:55 pmChickenshithawk,I’m out here;go ahead take your best shot.But remember a cunt [like you] doesn’t need a zipper.Clown.
April 10th, 2006 at 9:13 pmThat’s okay Goo-goo; it was a cut we used to use as teens. Dimwits such as yourself wouldn’t understand. I have no desire to go back and forth with your stupid ass; I’ve got too much to do. As I stated before, if I want any lip from you, I’ll scrape it off my zipper. Have a nice life; hope you get accepted into the sixth grade next year…
April 10th, 2006 at 9:49 pmNice try Chickenshithawk:After that last scree,how could anybody take you seriously?Even yourself.Dipshit.P.S. I figured you still were a teen;better get on down to ‘ my space ‘where you belong.
April 11th, 2006 at 12:59 amGoo-goo, you must be lonely. I am a man in my very-late 40’s; I have no interest in little boys. Go find yourself a girlfriend, if you swing that way. I’m waiting for some serious dialogue here; all I get is a loser punk. You have the last word, Goo-goo…
April 11th, 2006 at 5:53 amChickenshithawk:You just couldn’t quit me,could you,queer.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:46 amGranny B., are you a hit-and-run poster? I’m waitin’ to hear from you…
April 11th, 2006 at 6:44 pmI’d really love to see some sources for this article. So far all I read is liberally biased bullshit. We are not going to invade Iran. Even though Bush isn’t the brightest, he isn’t stupid enough t do this. I by no means support the administration but I support the spread of truth and the stop of supidity.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:47 pmwarhawk you’re all right dude;Let’s bury the hatchet and get along.I haven’t meant a word I’ve said while funnin with you.Hope to see you @T.P.,and no hard feelings.It has been fun though.
April 11th, 2006 at 9:53 pmOf course Bush will have to have another “Riechstag Fire”, before the November 2006 elections, Bush and Company are planning to us the W-80 thermonuclear warhead (330 kt yield to 1.2 megaton yeild). If the Iranians have buried their secret labs more than 1 Kilometer below the surface, these weapons will not take those facilities out. But instead will create craters all over Iran at least 1000 yard in diameter and kill approx. 3 million people. From so called promt radiation and residual fallout, downwind. And of course China and Russia will launch retalitory strikes against our cities. Bush is clearly insane. Bush is wooden headed person who persists in making errors despite evdence to the contrary.
April 14th, 2006 at 9:04 pmUS and the World at Crises Point with Peak Oil
President Bush and the United States Government is desperately trying to keep the Persian Gulf not only safe for oil tankers but at the same time they are trying to secure all large oil reserves for domestic US consumption. In 2010 the domestic oil supplies in the US will be depleted and this country will be 100% dependent on foreign oil. In order to save this country from collapse they are desperately trying to do what ever they can to keep the oil flowing. Iran is a very real threat both militarily and for not pledging more of their oil for US consumption. The industrial way of the United States is coming to an end, the US Government is just trying to delay the inevitable. To learn more http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.com. In the next ten years life is going to change considerably in the industrialized nations of the world, especially the United States. It all starts in only 3 1/2 years, 2010.
April 15th, 2006 at 4:46 amGo Bush! It is because he hasn’t caved in to you pansies, that we still have a country standing. Can only imagine if Gore was president when the trade towers fell of what stage of negotiations we would still be in. Oh please Mr. President (Iran) stop making a nuclear bomb to blow us to the second Tuesday of next week. Please stop. Please stop. Really I mean it. Stop making this bomb. Oh my I guess you didn’t understand stop. Gosh you must have misunderstood the translation, stop making a nuclear bomb.
Give me a break. You guys are asking to be attacked.
April 16th, 2006 at 5:35 pmwell nothing has changed alot of complaining but no real answers come on people can,t you do better than that it,s easy to point fingers any body can do that what would you do to solve these problems mmmmmmmm what a lot of waisted time on blame instead of thinking don,t just follow the crowd do something positive that will really help people
April 18th, 2006 at 11:19 amBush is to stupid to be the anti-Christ, that’s a fact….and I don’t think that he will nuke Iran, this is just Carl Rove sticking a sock in Georgie’s knickers.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:37 amlet those bastards receive there reward
April 18th, 2006 at 9:08 pmlet those bastards receive there reward
April 18th, 2006 at 9:08 pmBush was asked about the prospect of nuking Iran.
His reply was that all options were on the table.
Insanity.
Do YOU really think the rest of the world will allow this kind of krapp to go on and on and on?
Even the Mention of possibly doing it, combined with what has already gone down in the Oil Grab, ensures that the whittling down of a decaying Used To Be must be accomplished.
And Used To Be it really is.
Down here in KatrinaVille, we know all too well.
After WWII the U.S., in a 6 year period, rebuilt HUNDREDS of cities overseas, if the curator of the D-Day Museum is to be given any credibility.
But balks at rebuilding One of its own in The U.S.A. of Today.
Katrina a watershed. How Weak. How Corrupt. How Morally Bankrupt this thing has become.
A couple of smuggled nukes to knock a giant down to size, no sweat.
The city busters megatonnage outright from major powers not entirely out of the question.
Something HAS TO BE DONE to this mess of a country.
For the very sake of survival of the rest of the world.
This thing has become so self-absorbed, pumped up with false pride, dummied down, to let it get this far….
Geeesh.
April 19th, 2006 at 1:08 amAnd the alternative is??? Let’s let Iran develop nukes. Then what? Stick your heads in the sand like an ostrich, because your ass is about to be blown away! Iran is not dealing with Jimmy Carter anymore! Whether you like W., whether you like war, or no matter your corrupt political party, Iran CANNOT be allowed nuclear weapons. War is not sane, but neither are the leaders of Iran.
April 19th, 2006 at 10:49 am*****
And the alternative is???
Comment by Randy Gaston
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The alternative was decades ago, desalinization plants at water’s edge, pumping water back to grow own fuel. A rethink about how to build a city, a culture, an economy.
The current blurbs on t.v. by some oil/energy folk for 85% ethanol is Still A Con…
During WWII Brazilian plantations who couldn’t get gasoline ran everything on straight alcohol.
Hence the flex cars there today IN BRAZIL that can go from straight alcohol to straight gasoline.
The 85% bit is to Still Keep The Mindset Of The Populace focused on need for Oil.
No.
The time is past.
The bridges crossed and burned.
When you do this:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/bluemood/x.jpg
to Steal Oil, you leave people with backs already against a wall, the most terrible things already reality, with no place to go but A Fight.
There is no, “Do what we say or we’ll do terrible things to you.”
The terrible things are already done, with more to come.
And there are other players in the world that Must Step In, whether overtly (wham bang what a thang) or covertly (smuggled nukes) to Preserve Themselves and stop a Rabid Dog.
Which is why you Can Count On this United States Of Animosity getting whittled down.
Because of people like You, and People who knew/know better but have no stomach for The Gun, because it always did, does, and will come to the Threat Of Death to Control… whether Populace controlled by Gov, or Gov controlled by Populace, the schitt Will Hit The Fan.
So, Randy…
April 19th, 2006 at 11:35 amA proponent of the Bush NooKaLur Doctrine, are you….
Comment to-It’s Official
No official, I’m no big fan of W. I’m just against people who have forgotten history with the likes of Hitler and Stalin. We let a bunch of crazies like Iran have nukes, and nukes it will be on your back porch. All the bleeding heart liberals would then try to blame the government for inaction. The far right would then get to war forever with the big profits going to the already too rich. If sanctions would work-absolutely great. If not, strategically placed bunker-buster nukes might be the only way to save many friendly lives. No one is stealing oil here. We’re talking about a terrorist-sanctioning nation acquiring nukes.
April 19th, 2006 at 7:37 pm*****
No one is stealing oil here.
Comment by Randy Gaston
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It is all about The Oil.
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We let a bunch of crazies like Iran have nukes, and nukes it will be on your back porch.
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Your Worst Fear will come true.
Because of lack of Love of Truth.
Because of Love of The Lie.
You can chew gum and walk at the same time.
No doubt.
Now you must learn (or don’t) not to look at what Manipulators are